An inter­view with Mr. X

Mr X’s writ­ten ans­wers were in res­ponse to ques­tions posed by Bill Ryan and Kerry Cas­sidy. Where his res­pon­ses are in pur­ple ita­lics, this deno­tes his current per­so­nal opi­nion as oppo­sed to infor­ma­tion he is now repor­ting, reca­lled from what he read or saw in his archivist’s work over twenty years ago.

I am in my mid-​​40s and live on the west coast. I have been in on the west coast most of my life, although I was not born here. I was an honor stu­dent in high school and edi­tor of my year­book. I am very mathe­ma­ti­cally inc­li­ned and sco­red 798 out of 800 on my math SAT test and was eva­lua­ted with an IQ of 165. I have an AA degree in psycho­logy. I am very hap­pily married. I have been in the field of graphic arts my entire life. I have been inte­res­ted in UFOs and extra­te­rres­trial life since I can remember.

I have had one sigh­ting of an UFO aboard a fishing boat lea­ving the San Diego har­bor, although I wish I would have many more. This sigh­ting was of a silent craft, maybe 60 feet in dia­me­ter. It was cove­red with green lights all around and flew silently by at about 100 feet alti­tude over the San Diego har­bor. No one else on the boat saw it, even though there were others on the deck at the time. I asked seve­ral others.….“Did you see that?!” Their reply was, “See what?”

I am by no means an expert. I am just telling my expe­rience. I have had a fee­ling about 2011 and 2012 since I was young. I even con­tem­pla­ted wri­ting my own ver­sion of a book of truth long before I was invol­ved in this pro­ject. I had conc­rete thoughts and beliefs about why we were here and how we got here. I could not believe what I was being taught in Sun­day School. I thought, “If this is what life is about, why are we even here? This can’t be the truth about life.…”

Can you tell us anything about the kind of com­pany you wor­ked for?

All I can say is that it was aeros­pace. A large com­pany at the time.

How did you come to be invol­ved in the archi­ving job? When was this, and how old were you at the time?

I was about 24 or 25 at the time. This assign­ment took place in the mid-​​1980s.

All of the pro­duc­tion per­son­nel in my depart­ment were asked if they wan­ted to volun­teer for some “spe­cial work that would take about 6 months”. Seve­ral of us (I recall 5 or 6 out of the 30 or so) res­pon­ded Yes to the ques­tion. We didn’t hear any more about it for about a month, then two of us were selec­ted for the pro­ject. I was tal­ked to by per­son­nel that were not from my depart­ment and given ins­truc­tions by them. They did not have the usual badge that was requi­red for employ­ment where I wor­ked. I was never brie­fed or debrie­fed with anyone else, inc­lu­ding the other per­son that was selec­ted for the work. I never approached that per­son during or after the assign­ment about the nature of his/​her work on the pro­ject. My assign­ment was never tal­ked about to that per­son or any of my mana­gers or co-​​workers. My mana­gers and higher-​​ups never ques­tio­ned me about the assign­ment or the duties I per­for­med during the time I was on the spe­cial assign­ment. It was as if I took a leave of absence from my depart­ment and retur­ned about 6 months later. It was rather odd that no one in my depart­ment asked me where I was. It was as if they were told not to ask.

What was your reac­tion upon rea­li­zing what it was you were being asked to do?

I was never really told the exact nature of what I was to be doing. I was told of the impor­tance of secu­rity. It wasn’t until I star­ted work that I rea­li­zed just what I was doing. I had many fee­lings at that time. First and fore­most, I was finally satis­fied kno­wing that my beliefs were vali­da­ted. I was over­jo­yed at that. I have always had a fee­ling that life was more than the church wan­ted me to believe. I felt that my life had pur­pose, that life on Earth had a big­ger pur­pose and a big­ger his­tory. I felt secure in kno­wing that my beliefs were the TRUTH. Secondly, I felt pri­vi­le­ged to be able to do such work. I was also a bit sca­red, being told about secu­rity from day to day. I did dis­cuss my work with some very close friends, but none that wor­ked with me. I also star­ted rea­ding all the UFO mate­rial I could get my hands on. It just soli­di­fied my satis­fac­tion with kno­wing that I was in line with the truth about life. The lite­ra­ture I read, howe­ver, didn’t always jive with the mate­rial I saw.

Some corre­la­tive lite­ra­ture that I read that did jive with what I was assig­ned to file: Majes­tic by Whit­ley Strei­ber, Han­gar 18 (the movie), Star­seed Mes­sa­ges (the author esca­pes me right now), various lec­tu­res I atten­ded in the mid-​​1980s through the early 1990s.

What con­di­tions were you wor­king in? What was the nature of the secu­rity? Can you desc­ribe a typi­cal day? What were the rou­ti­nes and pro­ce­du­res you were requi­red to follow?

I wor­ked in a vault. It was not under­ground, it was on the third or fourth floor, I can’t quite remem­ber. I repor­ted to the front desk, sig­ned in, and went to work. At the end of the day, I was searched, and sig­ned out. I was told of the impor­tance of secu­rity at least twice a week, usually upon lea­ving the room.

A typi­cal day was repor­ting to my desk in a room that no-​​one else was allo­wed in except those that brought my work. I recei­ved a bag of mate­rials, almost always docu­ments, and most of them sea­led. This was given to me by a per­son that was not allo­wed to open the bag. The bags were usually can­vas and very heavy and thick. I sig­ned for it and the deli­very per­son left the room. I did receive some film cans, video cas­set­tes (very large ones), and various other mate­rials. I had bins that had a tri­ple lock on them that I was to file these mate­rials into.

When I nee­ded water or a res­troom break, I called the front desk, loc­ked up all of the mate­rials in my pos­ses­sion, and got an escort to the res­troom or water foun­tain. I was not per­mit­ted to leave the “com­plex” until the end of my shift. Of my eight hours each day wor­king, I spent about six actually filing. The other hours were spent sig­ning in and out, sig­ning for mate­rials deli­ve­red and sig­ning out mate­rials to leave my room in boxes. I also had a lunch break for an hour, and food was brought to me to eat in my room. I did not eat with the others on this assign­ment. I do not know how many were doing the same thing. I just did my job and went home.

What kind of secu­rity clea­rance were you requi­red to have? What non-​​disclosure docu­ments were you requi­red to sign? Did they have a limi­ted dura­tion of vali­dity, or were they appli­ca­ble for the dura­tion of your lifetime?

I only had a Sec­ret clea­rance, with a few extras attached for other pro­jects I was wor­king on during my dura­tion with the com­pany I wor­ked for. I never had Top Sec­ret, although there were a few in my depart­ment at my regu­lar job who did. As far as non-​​disclosure docu­ments, I only sig­ned two offi­cial docu­ments. One at the begin­ning and one at the end of the assign­ment. There was no men­tion of dura­tion on either docu­ments to the best of my recollection.

Can you tell us about your super­vi­sors on the job? What were they like? Did they know what you were dea­ling with? Did they have higher clea­ran­ces than yours?

The super­vi­sors were plain clothes types. Very sec­re­tive. No bad­ges that I could recog­nize as being from the com­pany I wor­ked for. I had no idea what clea­rance they had, but obviously higher than I did. They did not come into my room when I per­for­med my duties. No one else did.

Who were the senior exe­cu­ti­ves in the aeros­pace com­pany at the time? Do you think they knew what you were doing?

I won’t give names, but I do not believe that they knew of the nature of my work. I guess it was con­tract type work where they just occu­pied part of the buil­ding that was usually used by the com­pany I wor­ked for. Only I knew what I was seeing.

How did the work you were doing affect the ove­rall mis­sion of the company?

I don’t think it did at all. We did work on Star Wars tech­no­logy and other Sec­ret and Top Sec­ret pro­jects, but I was not aware that what I did had anything to do with that. Some of the mate­rial I loo­ked at was gene­ra­ted by the com­pany I wor­ked for, though.

Were they reverse-​​engineering spa­cec­raft or pro­du­cing any other tech­no­lo­gi­cal inno­va­tions via alien tech­no­logy? Since you left, have you seen their latest pro­ducts? If so, does there appear to be any link to alien technology?

I was not aware of any reverse engi­nee­ring taking place at the com­pany I wor­ked for. I just had a Sec­ret clea­rance, though. There were many there that held Top Sec­ret and above, and would have seen that kind of acti­vity. I don’t know if it hap­pe­ned or not, I just didn’t see it.

How long did you do this job for? Do you know why the pro­ject ended? What work did you do after that?

The assign­ment was for about six months, give or take a few weeks. It has been so long I really do not have accu­rate reco­llec­tion of the length of time on this assign­ment. I don’t know if the pro­ject ended or not. I just know I was no lon­ger asked to per­form duties rela­ted to it. I resu­med my regu­lar duties after the assign­ment ended, just like it never hap­pe­ned, and no men­tion of it after that date.

Can you desc­ribe what mate­rial you saw and hand­led? What eras were the docu­ments and mate­rials from? What locations?

Reports, pho­tos, media mate­rials (tapes, films, video cas­set­tes) and mate­rial from crashed saucers.

The pho­to­graphs were of sigh­tings. Close-​​up pho­to­graphs of sau­cer sha­ped crafts. Hun­dreds of these. Some from space mis­sions labe­led NASA and NORAD. Old black and white ones and color ones. Some of ships emer­ging from (or ente­ring into) water with no splash. Some with mili­tary men loo­king at them in the same pic­tu­res. Some cigar-​​shaped crafts. Some that loo­ked like beams or bars. Most sort of blurry, but some with detail. Most detail shots had ships with no seams or win­dows. Some with lights and some with no lights. Some in day­time and some at night. Some pic­tu­res had crafts at a dis­tance in for­ma­tion. I could not recog­nize the sce­nery in shots that had sce­nery. I was by no means infor­med about the world of UFOs at the time.

Then there were docu­ments. Most of them sea­led, of course. Labe­ling inc­lu­ded Sec­ret, Top Sec­ret, Top Sec­ret Eyes Only, Con­fi­den­tial, and Unc­las­si­fied. Some had mar­kings of MJ-​​12 and MAJIC or Majes­tic. These were old from the late 1940s and typew­rit­ten with rub­ber stamps for the secu­rity mar­kings. A cou­ple even bore Truman’s sig­na­ture. Others were sig­ned by mili­tary offi­cials that I didn’t recog­nize at the time. Most of the docu­ments I recei­ved were report forms dic­ta­ted by civi­lians and typed by research offi­cials. These were labe­led unc­las­si­fied. The forms had no conc­lu­sion to the inves­ti­ga­tion of the sigh­tings they repor­ted, just the facts as told by civilians.

Some docu­ments refe­rred to mate­rial reco­ve­red at Ros­well such as media disks (called something else, but I can’t remem­ber). They repor­ted the con­tents of these disks such as views of star clus­ters and pla­nets from unk­nown posi­tions in space. They also indi­ca­ted lan­ding zones here on Earth. Most of these were nuc­lear faci­li­ties. Remem­ber, this stuff was reco­ve­red in 1947, the birth of nuc­lear wea­pons deve­lop­ment. They con­tai­ned, as repor­ted, aerial views of wea­pons faci­li­ties and silos where the warheads were sto­red. Sort of like a photo library of sorts, with sym­bols on the pho­tos, the same sym­bols that were found aboard the craft and in the repor­ted Yellow and Blue books.

Other docu­ments refe­rred to metal mate­rial that had extre­mely strong ten­sile strength. This mate­rial resem­bled “chrome-​​like foil.” It could be crushed easily, but would return to a flat shape and have no crea­ses. It could not be torn, although a nail could be dri­ven through it.

Other docu­ments told of alien bio­logy. They explai­ned that the blood of the aliens reco­ve­red had chlo­rophyll in it and it was pro­bably used for a sort or pho­tosynthe­sis. Their esopha­gus came to a point inside their chest, going nowhere. No sto­mach, but men­tion of a panc­reas that func­tio­ned very dif­fe­rently than ours. The appen­dix was also men­tio­ned, theirs having a pur­pose more com­plex than ours.

There was men­tion of a live alien reco­ve­red at the crash, but no men­tion as to where it was taken or what was done with it. No men­tion of where the craft parts were taken, either. Just men­tion of the items they found, inc­lu­ding a big chunk of the ship still intact.

There was also some pac­ka­ges that were sea­led that I believe con­tai­ned parts, but I would be spe­cu­la­ting as to what the con­tents were since they were sea­led. I did get to see some of the foil men­tio­ned, although a very small piece. I crushed it and it sprung back. The bulky pac­ka­ges were very light for their size. All of them were that way. It could have been mostly pad­ding, but they were extre­mely light for their size. I could feel hard items inside, some of con­si­de­ra­ble size. I saw one piece of I-​​beam mate­rial with sym­bols on it. It was about 5 inches long and 1 inch thick, with no burn marks on it at all. It soun­ded like plas­tic when ban­ged (gently) on the side of my desk. I could not scratch it. It was very exci­ting hol­ding it. I thought to myself, “This is from another pla­net in another solar sys­tem, and I get to touch it!” I felt privileged.

There was seve­ral men­tions of Zeta Reti­culi in the docu­ments about Ros­well. I did recog­nize that from the Betty and Bar­ney Hill story. There were some star maps, but I could not read them. There were also dia­grams of the inside of the ship, inc­lu­ding panel dia­grams, elec­tri­cal device dia­grams and ship com­part­ment dia­grams. All of these were sketches. I also saw seve­ral pic­tu­res of dead and cut-​​up aliens. I would assume that these were autopsy pic­tu­res. There were also some film canis­ters (16mm size) that con­tai­ned films. These were sea­led except for one. I ope­ned it quickly and loo­ked at the ima­ges on the first few fra­mes. The image was just words saying “Autopsy 3.” I did not have a means of vie­wing it, so I put it away. There were no clas­si­fi­ca­tion mar­kings at all on the film cans.

There were also prints of some sort that see­med to be “screen dumps” of radar tracks. I only saw these one day, but there were quite a few of them. Some of the blips on the papers were circ­led and labe­led “U” or “UFO”, and some were seve­ral pages with time stamps on them. The stamps were like rub­ber stamps or stamps made by a time clock. That about sums it up.

Do you have any idea where the mate­rial came from, or where it all went to after pas­sing through your hands?

The mate­rials came from everywhere. CIA, Air Force, Navy, Army, DARPA, NORAD, DoD, FBI, and govern­ment offi­cials to name most.

I have no idea where it went, but I am inc­li­ned to think it ended up in some sec­ret warehouse on a base such as White Sands or Edwards or even Area 51. I think I was one of a few peo­ple that were orga­ni­zing data and other mate­rials for analy­sis by peo­ple in the know at that time. See more below, where I offer my analy­sis of what I was actually doing.

It was odd how I had to file things. Some­ti­mes it was by type of mate­rials (offi­cial let­ters, films, reports, civi­lian pho­tos, mili­tary pho­tos, NASA pho­tos, etc). Other times it was by year, and everything in a cer­tain time period was to be put in a sin­gle file, no mat­ter what it was. The mate­rials were put into boxes that were clearly labe­led as to the cate­gory (such as “1950–1955″ or “docu­ments” or even “other media”). There were NO clas­si­fi­ca­tion mar­kings on the bags I recei­ved or the boxes that went out. The bags were either white (very soi­led, I might add) or army green or khaki. I may have run across a few black ones as well. They all had at least two pad­locks on them with long-​​winded com­bi­na­tions, which, I might add, were to be loc­ked into the bags upon com­ple­tion. Odd that the com­bos were loc­ked in the bags after I was done. I recei­ved the com­bos at the front desk along with a list of serials for the locks. I had to look at the locks to be able to find the correct com­bi­na­tion to open them. The locks were VERY dif­fi­cult to open.

Please tell us – from the docu­ments you read – about the most impor­tant aspects of the UFO/​ET story.

Well, this will be a mix­ture of what I saw and the conc­lu­sions I have drawn from it. Accor­ding to docu­ments, they have been visi­ting Earth for over 50,000 years. They claim to have crea­ted the human as we are today by bree­ding with ear­lier ver­sions of homo sapiens that were here before us. In other words, they are the mis­sing link.

They also claim to have crea­ted our prophets to come and teach spi­ri­tua­lity. The mes­sage of various reli­gions have dis­tor­ted the teachings of these prophets to be little more than a con­trol device for the masses.

Docu­ments told of more than 50 races of them, but the Ros­well ones are the ones that make the afo­re­men­tio­ned claims. They also claim to be crea­ted by a race of tall and skinny orange colo­red beings about 7 to 8 feet tall. They claim that there pur­pose is to spread life throughout the uni­verse, and that there are many pla­nets like ours with crea­tu­res that can be cross­bred or lab-​​created to inha­bit those planets.

I saw no docu­ments that men­tio­ned an alien agenda. The only docu­ments that men­tio­ned our rela­tionship with them sta­ted that we were still ques­tio­ning why they came here and what they were doing. There were seve­ral docu­ments that men­tio­ned the unk­nown capa­bi­li­ties of the aliens and sta­ting that their capa­bi­lity could be a threat to natio­nal secu­rity. There was also men­tion of “foo figh­ters” being an unk­nown type of airc­raft pos­sibly from one of our adversaries.

No men­tion of star­ga­tes or other time por­tals of any kind. Most of what I saw about the aliens was from the late 40s.

Pro­ject names and codes that I can remember.….MAJIC, MJ-​​12, Blue­book, Majes­tic and I believe a pro­ject with “shine” in its name. I saw very few pro­ject docu­ments. Most of what I saw were first-​​hand reports of sigh­tings from mili­tary and civi­lian persons.

Nothing about them being from our future, nothing about time tra­vel, and nothing about them being hos­tile or benign. Just fears of what to do in case they are hos­tile in the form of questions.

The only loca­tions I can remem­ber are White Sands and Roswell.

Was there any mate­rial you hand­led but were una­ble to view? If so, do you have any idea what was it was?

Yes, most of what I hand­led was sea­led. I was ins­truc­ted to leave things that were sea­led alone. I would say only 5% of the mate­rials was not sea­led or pac­ka­ged in some way. Most of the sea­led things were docu­ments in enve­lo­pes. Some were pac­ka­ges and some were boxes, although the lar­gest of the things I hand­led were those cum­ber­some video cas­set­tes. Some of the cas­set­tes weighed over 5 pounds and were sea­led in metal cra­tes or boxes. Some of the bags I recei­ved were in excess of 50 pounds. I saw a par­ti­cu­lar type of pac­kage on a few occa­sions that was just labe­led “craft mate­rials”. Usually those pac­ka­ges were sea­led and had some bulk to them. Seve­ral of them had disks in them the size of today’s CDs or DVDs. One was open and I loo­ked at the disks. They were sil­ver like our DVDs and had a rain­bow appea­rance to them, although they loo­ked to be com­ple­tely of metal and much ligh­ter than our disks. They just had num­bers on them and loca­tions like Ros­well and Los Ala­mos or the words “Upper” and “Lower” on their slee­ves. The slee­ves were made here out of paper. Pos­sibly the loca­tion in the crashed disk where they were found, such as upper or lower deck loca­tions. Just a guess on my part. They were always the same size, about 5 inches in dia­me­ter and sil­ver, every one of them.

What was the total volume of mate­rial you hand­led throughout the dura­tion of the project?

I would say I filed and cate­go­ri­zed hun­dreds of pounds of mate­rial. At least 150 bags, given the mini­mum of one a day for 6 months. Some days I would go through 5 or even more, depen­ding on the amount of items in them.

What were some of the most inte­res­ting things you vie­wed or handled?

The disks men­tio­ned above and the docu­ments about them. They told of lan­ding in the very near future (2011–2012) and inter­ve­ning in nuc­lear con­flicts. The docu­ments explai­ned that the disks were vie­wed either on the ship itself or in a labo­ra­tory on a device from the ship. They also con­tai­ned sym­bols that flashed across the screen that were not unders­tood. This was men­tio­ned along with a plan to try to decipher the sym­bols. They were the same or simi­lar sym­bols that were found on some of the I-​​beams and other pie­ces that were found at the crash sites accor­ding to the documents.

Another very inte­res­ting part of my fact-​​filing mis­sion was the mate­rial on the bio­logy of the spi­rit or soul and the mate­rial on the his­tory of man, inc­lu­ding the men­tion of a Red, Yellow and Blue book. Not Pro­ject Blue­book, but a Blue book. The docu­men­ta­tion on the ETs’ science and beliefs rela­ting to bio­lo­gi­cal bodies was at the least fascinating.

The fact that they do not eat and have chlo­rophyll in their blood is a tough sce­na­rio to swa­llow, but given the next logi­cal step in evo­lu­tion, it could very well be a bene­fit. Ima­gine not having to grow food and taking nutrients from a sun (or suns) and gathe­ring mine­rals and mate­rial from the atmosphere. Obviously a step toward “pure being” ins­tead of spen­ding our waking hours doing things to nou­rish and main­tain our bio­lo­gi­cal shells. The science of the soul and labo­ra­tory gene­ra­ted bodies along with the abi­lity to switch to a new shell when nee­ded is a fas­ci­na­ting concept.

We still for­get when we die, and they don’t. They do not regard their bodies as sac­red or a pos­ses­sion like most human socie­ties do. They do not unders­tand our pre­ser­va­tion of self since they really don’t have a self. At least if they lose theirs, they can get a new one and no harm done. They regard our spi­rit or soul as equal to theirs. In fact, it is indi­ca­ted in seve­ral docu­ments that accor­ding to them, our spi­rit is the same as theirs. We just have more phy­si­cal attach­ment to our bodies than they do. They also have been noted as saying that we choose to remain as Earth beings and come back life after life because we know our path and that is where we are sup­po­sed to be.

I AM DOING THIS TO HELP HUMA­NITY EVOLVE INTO A PEA­CE­FUL AND ENLIGH­TE­NED SOCIETY.

What kind of atmosphere did you work in? How did your co-​​workers res­pond to the “hot” mate­rial you were hand­ling? How was your Sec­ret clea­rance regar­ded among your co-​​workers? Did you work with anyone you knew was doing a simi­lar job? If so, do you know who they were? Are you in touch with any of them now?

Only one other per­son in my depart­ment was cho­sen by the same peo­ple. I do not know what he/​she did. I never saw them on assign­ment. My co-​​workers were not jea­lous of my Sec­ret clea­rance, because they all had the same thing. It was requi­red for my line of work. I will not divulge the iden­tity of the other per­son cho­sen; that is up to him/​her.

Do you have any unu­sual dreams, mis­sing time, or feel at times you are “being led” in one direc­tion or another in your life?

No, I expe­rience none of the above. I do, howe­ver, feel that one of my pur­po­ses in life is to make others aware of the extra­te­rres­trial pre­sence in the uni­verse and here on Earth.

I do have an unu­sual amount of ocean-​​related dreams, though. There are 8–10 pla­ces I dream of, and I revi­sit them from time to time in my dreams. My ocean dreams are always pea­ce­ful. The pla­ces in my dreams do not exist to the best of my know­ledge. In most, the phy­si­cal makeup of these pla­ces are impos­si­ble on earth. It’s no won­der I love the ocean. I always have.

Have you ever been called in for a psych eva­lua­tion either on that job or afterward?

No, I have not. I was eva­lua­ted before taking my job at the com­pany (and con­si­de­red nor­mal) but have not been eva­lua­ted since. I live a fairly nor­mal life, except for kno­wing what I know, but I believe that is “the norm” too.

Have you had the same phy­si­cian since that time?

Yes, I have.

Are there any indi­ca­tions that the inte­lli­gence agen­cies or mili­tary are currently aware of who you are, or want to stop you from telling the story of your experience?

Not that I know of. There are some that are pro­bing around, but that’s about it. Someone said that they knew who I was and have spo­ken to me, but that is just not true. I have never spo­ken to that par­ti­cu­lar per­son making that claim. The only peo­ple I have for­mally spo­ken to are Jerry Pip­pin, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy.

I think that there are many more peo­ple out there that know and DO more than me. There are others in high ran­king jobs and posi­tions that have much more access to what is going on today. I left the assign­ment in the mid 1980s, and I am just a civi­lian. I have never ser­ved in the mili­tary nor do I have a police record (that I know of). I would like to think the govern­ment is more inte­res­ted in pre­ven­ting terro­rism than what I have to say. I’m a nobody.

Do you some­ti­mes won­der if you are being watched or follo­wed? Do you have any old acquain­tan­ces from those days that you see from time to time? Do friends or family know your secret?

I don’t won­der that at all. I do not see any of my past co-​​workers nor am I in touch with them. And yes, seve­ral of my family mem­bers and a select few others know of what I have done and seen.

An inte­res­ting side note: There are plenty of peo­ple that ask if I believe in UFOs and ETs. When asked if I believe, I reply, “I don’t believe, I know.” 99% of those peo­ple start arguing that what I have seen with my own eyes doesn’t exist.

It’s a lonely place to be. Being denied your own expe­rien­ces by others.

I have no proof, nor do I need any. Most peo­ple, if offe­red truth and proof right in their face would have some argu­ment against it. It would be “fake” or (my favo­rite) “Pho­toshop­ped.” The sub­ject of ufo­logy is poi­so­ned with skep­ti­cism and jea­lousy because of plants of disin­for­ma­tion. Just look at the forums out there. They sound like imma­ture kids figh­ting one another because.…well, I don’t even know the rea­son. Nor do I care. I know what I saw. I know what I know.

Do you ever feel you may have some sub­mer­ged memo­ries that might be assis­ted via hyp­no­sis? Have you ever gone to a hyp­no­tist or regres­sive the­ra­pist to access memo­ries about this time about things you might have seen but don’t recall?

No, I have not done that, nor do I feel the need to. I am satis­fied with the know­ledge that I have, and that others like me have also. I want to help in what ways I can to further humanity’s growth to a more pea­ce­ful and aware future, but I do not want to go through hypnosis.

What do you think hap­pe­ned to the mate­rial after it left your hands? Do you have any idea where it might have gone?

Most likely to a warehouse to be stu­died or secu­rely sto­red. I just know it was gone the next day I repor­ted for my assign­ment. I did not see who took it or what kind of vehicle it was put into or even if it was taken off premises.

Is there anything about what you came across that you are not telling – kee­ping to your­self because it might be con­si­de­red too outra­geous, might reveal something about you, or might be valua­ble in case of emergency?

No, there is not. It’s really no big sec­ret. Lots of peo­ple are coming for­ward with the same sort of infor­ma­tion. I might add: there was some woman that made a com­ment to Jerry Pip­pin about me being a “fake” because all the stuff I talk about is on various inter­net sites. My reply to her: Maybe it’s on the inter­net because so many like me have expe­rien­ced it.

And there are lots of us. We all have the same sort of story. We have no proof. We are ridi­cu­led. We are denied that we expe­rien­ced what we expe­rien­ced. We are crazy, nut­ca­ses, insane, kooks.…the list goes on and on. There are some in the know that like it that way. PLAU­SI­BLE DENIA­BI­LITY. That is what it’s about. Well, we have about six years until ever­yone will know. The ans­wers will be clear. The truth will be known, and the liars expo­sed. I just want to help. I applaud all who are out there being honest with their testimony.

Is there anything else we’ve not asked which you’d like to enlarge on?

Yes: my analy­sis of what my pur­pose was.

My conc­lu­sion on why I did what I did is this. I believe that I was orga­ni­zing FAC­TUAL infor­ma­tion only. I filed sigh­ting reports by both the mili­tary and civi­lians. I filed thou­sands of pho­tos, from all branches of the mili­tary, mili­tary and defense con­trac­tors, civi­lians, and from NASA space mis­sions. I filed wea­ponry reports from the mili­tary from the 1930s up to the pre­sent at that time.

What I did not handle was paper­work or any other mat­ters for alle­ged pro­jects of coo­pe­ra­tion with EBEs or races from other pla­nets. I read memos, but only repor­ting memos with infor­ma­tion on sigh­tings and encoun­ters, not on spe­cu­la­tion of their pur­pose or our government’s invol­ve­ment with them. All the docu­ments and pho­tos and reports and parts from the Ros­well craft were FACTUAL.

I just gathe­red and orga­ni­zed infor­ma­tion. I think my pur­pose was to aid those in spe­cu­la­ting and unders­tan­ding the mate­rial gathe­red and to give those spe­cia­lists an oppor­tu­nity to learn from the mate­rial I gathe­red because it was orga­ni­zed. I hel­ped our govern­ment to research by orga­ni­zing the mate­rial to be gone through.

That is the only rea­son why I think I got any access to this mate­rial at all. I could recog­nize secu­rity mar­kings since I was in the graphics depart­ment and knew the rules per­tai­ning to that. I could easily sepa­rate things into cate­go­ries because part of my regu­lar duties was to file things in my depart­ment. We all had to. That is why they asked us to volun­teer in the first place. We were already experts on the pur­pose of the assignment.

They just nee­ded experts in docu­men­ta­tion to orga­nize and clas­sify data, and that’s what we did...

Why did you wait so long before coming for­ward to tell your story?

I think the ans­wer is obvious, but since so many are coming for­ward, I deci­ded to do my part in brin­ging the truth to the public. Others have made far more spec­ta­cu­lar claims in their sto­ries. I am NOT pas­sing judg­ment on any­body else’s claims. My mate­rial is down-​​to-​​earth rela­tive to others’ testimony.

I do believe that others’ tes­ti­mony and sto­ries add to my know­ledge because I have had only a slice of the big pic­ture. I believe I was there to gather and arrange the facts and not the spe­cu­la­tion, but for the pur­pose of later spe­cu­la­tion and analysis.

What kind of res­ponse have you had so far from the public?

This is a tough ques­tion because the ans­wer is wide-​​ranging. For the most part, I have had posi­tive reac­tion to my ini­tial inter­views. There are some that have misun­ders­tood me and think that when I said that there will be many deaths in the years 2011 and 2012, that I meant at the hands of ETs. This is not what I said or what I meant. The deaths will be attri­bu­ted to war, natu­ral disas­ters, and panic.

There will be a mass of infor­ma­tion relea­sed that will shat­ter most of our core beliefs. Some will panic because their belief sys­tem will be shat­te­red. Some will be angry because they have been lied to for so long. Some will think that the end of the world is here. Most will be con­fu­sed at best about reli­gious issues, since the truth will be told and that truth will shat­ter ALL reli­gious beliefs. We will learn the true his­tory of man through the ETs and the powers that be. It is ine­vi­ta­ble. If the world stays on the track it is on – and I see no rea­son for it to change! – we will have to be shown the truth. And if those who run the world do not do it, the ETs will.

How has wor­king with this mate­rial hands-​​on chan­ged your world­view? Do you have a dif­fe­rent point of view of the future due to the things you have seen?

This is the big one for me.

Yes, my world­view is chan­ged. But my world­view isn’t that dif­fe­rent than it was before the assign­ment. I always knew something was not right. Why spend your life strug­gling to keep a shell alive? That is all we do. Think about it. We work for money. Money for shel­ter and food and fuel to keep our bio­lo­gi­cal shell alive. We use the fuel to do more work to get more money, and to go and get food, which we spend at least 1/​20 of our life eating. We sleep 1/​3 of our lives to revi­ta­lize this shell. Those of us who are lucky enough to make more than we need can enjoy some plea­sure, but for the most part, we all work to live.

ETs do not have a mone­tary sys­tem. We shouldn’t either. I would be glad to do my job 8 hours a day for a sim­ple life and trans­por­ta­tion to get me to where I need to get to do my job to pro­vide for others. I do not like being con­tro­lled by oil or anything else, nor do I like having to des­troy the atmosphere to get from point A to point B. We have the tech­no­logy to pro­vide free energy to the entire world in our hands.……just think about it. What a dis­ser­vice to the citi­zens of the globe. Same with religion.….it’s all to con­trol us and make us believe we are wea­ker than we are and have less choi­ces than we do. And that’s all reli­gion. I side with NONE.

I believe that the ETs will try to lead us out of the mess we are currently in. I think it’s hap­pe­ning already. 2012 is not that far off. We are figh­ting over what are billed as “reli­gious” and “holy” wars. The earth belongs to nobody, and if we don’t take care of it and our­sel­ves as a whole spe­cies, we will not sur­vive. That I gua­ran­tee. We will not be able to explore all the other worlds that are out there just wai­ting for us to visit.

The most impor­tant thing we can do as a spe­cies is to become more spi­ri­tually con­nec­ted with our surroun­dings. We are power­ful beings. We use less than 10 per­cent of our brains. The other 90% is there for a rea­son. We need to use it.

I think we are going to have a hard time adjus­ting to kno­wing our true his­tory, but in the end, we will be bet­ter for it. The uni­verse will be ours, as it is for other beings. We will then learn to spread life through the uni­verse like our ET fathers and mothers did for us to exist. We will meet the tall orange beings that crea­ted our ET fathers and mothers, and we will learn from them.

We will see beau­ti­ful pla­nets with unu­sual life on them. We will unders­tand the sec­rets for gene­ra­ting civi­li­za­tions where there are none. We will be loo­ked at as gods by other civi­li­za­tions. In rea­lity, we already are, we just don’t know it or act like it. We have a lot to learn before we go on that adventure.

14 July 2006

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